Performing Strength vs. Living Truthfully | Riham El Hawary on Burnout & Midlife

0:00The last one is the most beautiful one. I lost my mother three years ago and The moment this happened Who are the first question? Who am I? If I'm not the one who's showing up if I'm not the one who's performing if I'm not the one Who's supporting her and keeping my family house intact then am I the void? That it left. It's not the incident. It is the question of Who am I? Hi, this is Debbie Thompson and this is a stone in my shoe

0:46The podcast where we explore the moments in life where something no longer feels quite right and what happens when we choose to listen and Today, I'm joined by Riham al-Hawary She's known as the mind architect a business psychology expert Who explores how people reshape their inner world to create meaningful change in their outer lives With a background spanning executive leadership in multinational organizations Her work now focuses on identity behavior and the quieter moments of transformation that often go unseen Her journey has been one of continuous reinvention Navigating the space between who we are who we've been and who we're becoming

1:34Riham, welcome Debbie, thank you. Thank you for having me and allowing me this space to talk with your audience and Very much looking forward to this So am I and just for those listening at the wonder of modern technology Riham is in Egypt and I'm in a caravan traveling around Australia in the middle of the desert right now and Yet we can connect isn't that magic? It's amazing. Isn't it? Yeah when just and It it comes back to the idea Debbie that We are not separated by borders. We're not separated by nationalities. We are women We are our identity. We are just scattered on this

2:23Piece of the earth as I say Yes, and that is so beautiful because as you're right doesn't matter where we come from what our background is in essence We're all the same Yeah Beautiful. So before we begin talking about the stone in your shoe I just wanted to ground this for the woman who's listening to this podcast as she hears your story today What do you hope she begins to see or understand about herself? One thing She is complete She is existing She is here and she is now and just some clarification Get rid of this noise this collective conscious taboos and you are there. We are here

3:17We are here. Your identity is with you like with me like with anybody else Some noise Debbie just noise around us. Yeah Yeah, and I love the simplicity of that is you are whole and We get so caught up in all the noise all the stories that we tell ourselves and Just knowing that one core thing I am whole I am perfect. I am here. I'm alive. I'm breathing Love it Thank you. Love it It is the absolute truth. Lovely Can you just tell us a bit more about who you are and particularly in this season of your life? I'm 55 years old now and

4:04as I always Remind myself as well as say it in public. I'm a woman Who lived through many versions of herself Through many transformation phases That cleared the way to who I am now with you Debbie with your audience and It is just cleared the way. This is why I started by saying we're whole it is not healed It is not Transformed or shaped or shifted No, it's just cleared My version of myself with you, which I don't know what will happen tomorrow But today this is the version who's talking to you

4:50So, yes, I'm a woman been through a versions Been through love it when you talk about things, which is retroactive. You can see it clearer now Been through a transformation of activation activating identity Been through the transformation of activating The new identity First activation of my career activation of my identity and in this season as you asked I believe that this is the transformation of alignment This is when everything starts making sense Of and this is what I feel and I live it every day This is why your platform is beautiful

5:37It gives me a chance. It gives the audience a chance To really look at it Where we've become how it happened How beautiful our life is even though it was like sometimes edgy painful Yeah, things like that. Yeah, and I love that is the alignment is that all these versions Of ourselves same person same essence just different versions different seasons And as you as you said some were great some were a bit more challenging some were done right and terrible But all of it makes sense and it's alignment coming together. I think your fifties is such a powerful time Because you can look out on all these different seasons and see how they all map together, don't they to make you whole

6:28Absolutely map together clear the way it really the way to the one who's with you now Beautiful love it So when we go back to the stone, you said you've gone through transformations Was the stone we're going to talk about today the time when you started doing the inner work That started the transformation or when did that all start? Let me tell you a little bit of a background I've been groomed since I was six years old To take responsibility and the word groomed my father. He was a pilot And at the age of six, I remember he always said I fly a piece of metal with fuel and fire

7:14I can go and not come back So if this happened and that I was six if this happened Then you are the one who's responsible for your mother and your sister This house should run the same way as I'm here So grooming It means like from the age of six the first time I heard it and I remembering it that clear Till he passed away I've been groomed for this job So if you talk about what is the stone The stone was the identity Debbie I you really it is your identity it takes different shapes

8:00It takes a different shape like when my father passed away And I have to activate the identity of being the responsible person With obligation who's there who shows up who performs the role And another transformation is when you reach the culmination of your career success presence power recognition And the last one Which is the most beautiful one it happened three years ago And this is where I say Identity is everything Because if you know your identity You will not be shifted

8:47By just some winds or some environmental turbulence as we say So the last one is the most beautiful one I lost my mother three years ago and The moment this happened Who are the first question? Who am I? If I'm not the one who's showing up if I'm not the one who's performing If I'm not the one who is supporting her and keeping my family house intact Then who am I the void that it left? It's not the incident It is the question of Who am I? Yes, wow and

9:33As a six-year-old to take on that responsibility And to be told what what you were told in those graphic terms that was Very very careful probably quite frightening over there. We must have been so many emotions When did you have to activate that you said that was the first one How old were you when your dad died in which you had to activate and now be the one responsible for your Family home for everything running as it should have or as was expected I was 27 at that time and and you have to know that At the age of 27 I already graduated from engineering university. I'm an architect. I'm working

10:20But it was not activated The part that I am now the one who's carrying the flame as I say or the one who's anchoring The fear of the family when they lose The the one who's taking care. I remember clearly Debbie and when our driver When my father passed away, I just a tear a little bit of a tear just was running on my face and he came running to me And he said, please don't show that you don't cry because we're all gaining you our strength from you So don't cry and I cried I think about a month or a month and a half

11:09After my father passed away because I I wasn't allowed to cry it's again the performing your role Performing your role when it is not aligned with your identity it is hectic, it's draining it's scary and again It's beautiful when you look at it retroactively, but when you are within it This is where the real row Strength shows Not when everything blows away out of proportions I was lucky to be groomed if I didn't Know that this is my path that is my role. This is where I'm going

11:57If he told me don't cry, I might have been shocked But because I'm groomed that this is the responsibility Then it made sense to me at that time It did make sense Whereas Making sense in this time doesn't mean this is my identity It's just a role that I had to perform And I think also in 27 you're just discovering who you are You escape the escape We're moving away from your parents and their identity and forming your own And then having to go back and take hold of this huge Responsibility that was ingrained as you said because you were groomed and having to be the strong one for your whole family

12:42And not allowing to grieve in a way that might have been more authentic for you because that wasn't an option for you So you had to I'm sure close down some of some of the feelings that you were feeling How did you process that later on or when did that Come and emerge that you had to process that you couldn't keep being the strong one keeping it together for everybody I'm a very stubborn person. I'm really I am a very stubborn person And when I believe in something then there is nothing that can shift what I believe in. It's very difficult And your question is beautiful because this happened and this is where I consider myself lucky. I was pushed to it

13:28When this happened is I was at that time 36 or 37, okay about 10 years after what happened And my body I was like really on top the first woman in the Middle East to do that The first person was that that career is I mean like you cannot debate it It's there clear in black and white. I made the money because after my father passed away all what comes to my mind Yes success and money to be able to support Yes, I need to live on the same standard of the daughter of a pilot and a wife of a pilot For my mother and this concept has to be there. So money career was number one

14:14nothing deterred that until My body said You will not take this anymore This is not who you are And the body is collapsed that it was like crazy. I didn't understand it at the moment the quicksand effect That the more I fight it the more I drain into it. I just it sucks me inside and the body the bodies have said no no more And that was Oh Because I'm a stubborn person. So the lessons comes to you now. I'm seeing it retroactively The lessons comes to you based on your Person that's your identity. So if you're stubborn then something forceful has to come out

15:04That tells you not even if you want if you are stubborn, you will not get your way So I got a total breakdown The body got total breakdown And this is where I understood what detachment is When you are detached from the physical body And this is where it gets crazy. You cannot understand you want to move your hand. It's not coming with you This is the basics of life. Come on How it happened This is the second one which I wanted to Emphasize when you said that this is where I waited for it to break And that was the lesson do not wait for it to break down

15:50Do not wait for it till it slaps you in the face because if it does that it is so hard If I could have seen it I wouldn't have spent like a year or year and a half treating the physical body and the mental body to be able to be whole again so this is But we have people like you who are You called it stubborn, but with that stubbornness is this focus and this ability To know when you've got your mindset on something you go for it and you're highly successful and Much of that is in the mind because you can harness it. You can focus it And what's interesting reham is you said that you were stubborn

16:36But that stubbornness came from this enormous strength as a young girl You had to carry this torch for the whole family and it meant that you could achieve Everything that you put your mind to and not just achieve it but achieve it incredibly well So then to have your body go, uh-uh I'm giving up on you and that is really hard. Did you see any little pebbles or stones along the way that were telling you Riham your you have got to listen to your body or something is going to happen Absolutely Absolutely, it's always listen Debbie again, I'm seeing it retroactively at that time. It just didn't make sense to me

17:22This is why I didn't see it because my lens the lens that I was seeing things through Is I am doing it. I am capable. What is the heck with some fever? What is the problem with that? I have a nerve that it's switching Nothing would stop like it goes on tomorrow is another day. The sun is still coming all of this Which you are Consciously programming your mind to do to be able to move from one day to the other with the same strength This is what made these were my lenses who made me not see All the way what's happening It was happening. My body was getting tired. Things were not enough. I'm not happy anymore

18:12I'm not smiling as I used to these are all pebbles that I should have noticed but again because we as Cultivate let me tell you this and honestly, I've been all over the world and truly this is a big lie That you're American. You are a European, you're Australian. I'm from the Middle East. That's a big lie Human being is a human being identity is identity a personality is a personality. This is the core with just the cultural Embedded consciousness It made us Think we're different It made us see through lenses like to be strong and this is where you see to be strong and successful

19:03You have to be stubborn. You have to be like a man. You have to be blah, blah, blah Isn't that crazy? isn't Absolutely, and it's the same Australian I lived in England for a while. It's the same thing is being strong everything's about being strong and capable and you know, we And so we suppress things and this comes out so you had this your body set enough and you had some Sto or pebbles, but you hadn't actually seen them for what they were and when did you what did you learn from this And to take through to the next it wasn't a big learning or just a little learning that you then had to Learn it again later on

19:49Oh It was a big one because at that time I decided that There is something wrong There is definitely something wrong. There is something in me is not working anymore And this is where I said, okay, then I'm woman All right, then I nurture I'm not the machine. I'm not a money making machine I'm not a Competitor to men Where is my life as woman and again the same mistake The same mistake the same mistake was My father groomed it groomed me to this direction Okay Now the societal concept of being a woman Groomed me to the next direction. What is it like now? I think I should get married Now I think I should have my family now. I think I should tame myself down a little bit be nice

20:41No, let me and so did you go down that route of what I wanted that Yeah Before I'm total femininity now. So it was like a different life A learning experience beautiful learning experience, but again First time it wasn't me second time. It wasn't me either And what was the thing? The stone or the and it's not always one event It's also a culmination that got you to think Who am I? This is the alignment Phase that I had to go through the past three years and boy what a journey there be. Oh my god

21:32What happened? It's like a fairy tale And it was quiet and this is how beautifully it was quite. It wasn't that turbulent It wasn't like being sick. It wasn't like losing your father. Yes. I lost my mother fine But this wasn't the trigger The trigger was when my mother passed away and I was really in that because of her sickness and lots of things and the family which is my sister my aunt and they They Acted in a way of pushing me away Like her responsibility when she it's too much for us. She's not performing the role we used to It wasn't about inheritance. It wasn't about

22:21Money. No, we want you To play that role The role that you used to play for 55 years for 53 years at that time of your life Where are you? And this was when I started to live the journey while I'm in it. It's we always see retroactively No, this time I was adamant about not seeing it retroactively Let me see it now as it happening real time and Debbie the first time I work Everywhere. So the first time I was about to travel to give a lecture a seminar

23:06And I was getting dressed If something hit me Nobody knows where I am If anything happened to me, nobody would know I don't have a family anymore They disowned me maybe if this is a right word For no reason and this is what is it is quiet. It is the silent detachment for no reason And it was smooth To an extent that you cannot hold it. You cannot say this is the problem If I did that they would do this if it wasn't like that. It was like quite separation And it is scary The scary part that I'm now alone. I'm really alone. I don't have responsibilities anymore

23:53I don't have to perform anymore for anybody. It's just me and me like Coming to this as much as it was scary because it was the real deep Feeling of loneliness. I sometimes couldn't sleep because I was like I don't want to close my eyes Imagine that was I'm 53 after all what I've been passed through but here when I came face to face with Nobody's telling me how should I perform or there is no written script To how should I be? Now everything is open. Everything is allowed. It's just what do you want? And that was the question Who am I? What do I want?

24:39Who is the real me? I can now Pave the life that it was meant for me all along Yes, there was pain. Yes, there was agony. I couldn't understand why they are doing this I gave you all my life. I gave you all my money. I did everything. So why? And when I asked why instead of playing The victim of oh my god, I I sacrificed. I didn't get it back. Oh my god I performed. Oh my god. I depleted my resources. Oh my god When I I stopped this because everything was opened in front of me for me this time To design my own identity. I wasn't told what to do

25:29And wow So profound and I just before you've gone because this is such a beautiful way because it wasn't Like the first one which was so unwell. It was powerful powerful and slap in the face It's a subtle thing difficult to actually Pin down what the feeling was and I think it's important Whenever we try and make a change. I know when I've done it You're in a dance with other people and they know the steps and as soon as the steps change you step on each other's shoes And sometimes you have to go we can't dance together and sometimes you have to go we need a new dance But it all depends on how you can navigate that But the other thing that you said that was really powerful is that There was this feeling that you couldn't really grasp you couldn't but you stayed with it

26:17Because you could have got down the route of loneliness and I'm all alone and regret and oh my god And I've worked so hard and all the things I've done it. I'm not blinking What do I need to do? But you went to this really deep Place to go who am I and what am I doing? How for somebody listening they're going oh my god, that is amazing. That's what we all want How did that happen? Did you have to get Support counseling or anything like that or was it something that you just felt so deeply that you had to spend some time in space there Okay, the this is a beautiful question because this is the core of everything It is the core of everything. It's core of our evolution as a human being

27:05And this time I was adamant that I can answer it because I was living in it. I'm not looking at it retroactively I was living in it and the thing that it took me like three four months three months asking why is it happening why How heartless they are and they're leaving me in my weakest point and then I took my bags Went to my summer house, which I'm talking to you from in in north coast and Alexandria and I closed the door just me and me and with nature with in a place that I love I built and

27:51Now the real work was From where do you want to start? This is how I asked myself from where do you want to start? And I learned at that time that It's not starting by forgiving as everybody's saying You cannot forgive If you cannot know who you are or you have an identity So who am I and I started to think what? Okay, what would I like to do today? What would I like to read? Why was This my happy moments at that time. Let me do what I used to love. Let me dance. Let me read Let me write. So I was like a free floating. I'm not fighting

28:37You know when the point when you go to swim in the sea things I'm close to the sea and you try very hard to swim And you're hardly floating, but when you leave yourself, you're just floating. Just think yourself And I said I'll leave myself I don't know what tomorrow will bring and I and nobody can help me in this No one because it's subtle that you don't have anything to talk about really Come on. Riham. Let me get to know you and this was Riham come and get let me get to you in this season of your life What do you want? What would make you happy? And then I started like this Learning learning who I am That was a beautiful experience

29:23and Boy, I just fell in love with who I am with the pebbles with the scars on the body with ups and downs with Having lots of money having no money being the top of the ladder beings like actually And being in the lowest level of the library It's beautiful. I love that Oh, then now I have a story to say before that it's life taking me But this time which I say transformation by alignment I am aligning That's beautiful. Yeah, that that that is amazing. And I bet many people listening to this going that is what I want That is what I want. I don't want to be pushing against the current. I want to float

30:10but When you're pushing against the current it's an identity that you're wearing that you have to I have to do this Because that way I'm loved or that way I'm valued or that's where I'm seen to be enough We don't even know these wounds are there. We don't even know that we're acting out like that So my question is and it was beautiful the way you said you just woke up every day It's a dream. What do you want to do today? And it was subtle. It wasn't big explosions It was today. I'm going to read today. I'll do some dancing whatever Was it just the small amounts of repetition of that on a daily none of that big magic but the small things That eventually you go, this is who I am and I love myself

30:55Or was there anything else involved in this process of finding out who you were? This what taught me and it is the small things built incrementally This is what I learned scientifically. It's my job. So yeah, I know things are built incrementally But at that time I wasn't thinking like that. I was thinking like I'm flowing Let me flow Let me flow. Just let me flow. It's simple as that. Let me flow. I don't want to plan I don't need to plan. I don't have responsibilities and the decision is Cutting down cutting away from what my father wanted me to do What the society wanted me to do and I wasn't looking

31:45for myself in other people's eyes I'm just here and it is me. First, my father told me what to do. Second the society the success the understanding of success The understanding of strength the understanding the collective understanding that it's costed upon us To say yeah, I have to do this to be able to do that and this was not correct That is not right I you do not I this is what the first thing that I thought I will not Look for who I am in other people's eyes I do not wait for someone to tell me who I am and that's the mistake We all lived I lived 53 years with this mistake

32:34Let me know who I am by how people see me and that is God then who I am No, but it was you as much as you do but you're so scared and you didn't and you claim it on time You claim it on responsibility. You're claiming I threw this on lots of hangers. Believe me But when I faced it Debbie I understood the word that I am performing performing is not acting Performing is this is my role. I should do it to the best of my ability For people to be happy and me to be satisfied That is performing that is as if you're riding a bicycle uphill

33:20But when you are aligned and this is my identity it makes sense to me it makes it I'm not struggling to do it This is like driving range rover uphill. It is smooth And still I'm learning it you mean for example I've been giving seminars for I'm on stage with 2000 people for three four hours Just me and it was so hectic so draining Lots of preparation lots of fears Interest is that you need to look at and this year when I was giving this seminar this talk because For a year. I'm working on aligning myself. It was so smooth

34:06And it was amazing for me because I was experiencing it with the audience And this is what I say when you are aligned when you decide your identity don't let anyone decide this for you And this is what I did Do you think I didn't cry? Did you think I didn't feel pain? Did you think I was lost? I was all of this happened everything happened because emotions. It just comes out but In the midst of this It is a very simple thing What do I like to do? What is aligned for me? It is not selfish It is the inner design the inner architecture that we came

34:53with When came to this world I love that and I love the fact that you said yes, it was hard. Yes. It was painful. Yes It was scary all of those things because you have to go back and unravel and see See who you are who you're performing through other people's eyes Who am I for me not for anybody else? And that is the really hard thing for many people to get the heads around for a number of reasons number one is the roles that they've been giving some of them They don't even know they're playing because they're so subconscious and they've been there their whole life It's their identity and for the woman who's listening who feels That they've got a stone in their shoe

35:39But they can't just when you first said you couldn't quite grasp and put your name it If they're just starting out and they go on this journey What would you say is the best place for them to start so that they can carry through because you're so right It's all about repetition. It's all about one a magic moment that the magic bullet doesn't exist And it's just one of them. This is one of them. This is an inside job And and sorry and also the other thing is just to address most many people's Objections. I don't have the time. I don't know So just for the person listening, would you mind answering those? I know there are about three questions in there Sorry

36:24They are beautiful. So I'll do my best First thing I have to start with I'm not giving advice I don't give advice. I don't I'm like who am I to give advice? I just show the way how I did it But how it is done It's about you because it is your life. Again, we will not search for our identity outside This is very hectic because if as you say if I can do what everybody can No, it's not I can do it because I did certain things my own way And this is why it happened But the amount of pressure I'll be putting on you Debbie when I tell you I did this it was successful

37:15You should do that and it is not the thing that is aligned for who you are Again, we are playing the same costing of rules That people tell you what you should do. So I will not give advice because it doesn't What I can say is The only person you will be with Since you're born till the day your life ends in this world is you No one yeah, there are families. They are colleagues. Yes Around you, but the only one who you really live with Is you so don't you think it's a little bit wise To get to know that person

38:01Before being so smart. I I can read Debbie very well. I can help him Extremely perfectly because I'm educated. I have the passion I love her and all of this is true Because we all do the work We help others because that gives us self fulfillment. This is positive psychology, but don't you think that It's enough For us as human being to be told who we are Don't you think it's about time to get to know yourself because yourself will tell you how you're going to progress How you're going to get over that how you're going to heal and and All of these questions that we look for answer outside

38:49It's already inside, but it is it has to be found out So please really don't Don't stress yourself Because of other lives who other people lived they worked for them. Maybe yes, it would work for you and maybe no So so what are you Always Sorry say that again So the thing that I can say And this is the generic. This is the foundation Who am I and it is not important That you get an answer immediately just put the question Throw it away. I'm just

39:35What would make me happy? What are the things that when I do it It feels like a knot in my chest. It's yeah, I do it. I'm perfect in it, but it's a little bit Not it drains my energy a little bit Answering that questions doesn't mean you have to change it immediately Live with it. It will come when the right time comes but Do not And this is the point of floating I didn't rush myself I didn't rush myself So I was I I now I can see Debbie as I see you Right in front of me What my passion is and it took me 53 years to get to know what is my passion

40:23So what is your passion? Yes My passion is Really leave A system leave a process leave a very fluid flowy process on how To reprogram the minds for our own happiness I'm building a program and this is not it because the question arises Enough what we hear from outside. Let's find who we are And let's find who you are. You need to get away Get rid of the old programs mental programs societal programs and build your own program

41:09How can I do that when I'm in the middle of case? And this is why I was I came to this world To live through all of these experiences to get to create something like that because I was there So I love helping people just of course But through I am Not so what for me? So it's almost like what you're creating is a framework because it's an inside job. We all have to do our own job and Saying that you should do this because this work for me as you said puts pressure on you. It doesn't stop working for you Oh my god. What's wrong with me? Oh, I must be broken So are you saying that it's a fluid framework so that We're not over well

41:55We have a stream that is not forcing us down there That is showing us the way so that we do it in our own way Based on what works for us without going okay step one do this step two this is that what you're saying your Framework is just to help people because sometimes without a framework It's a little bit scary to go. Where do I start? What do I listen to? What does it feel amazing? So what is the framework because I will link this to to know it's below. What is it called? It's called the mind architect method And an app that it's coming. I'm working on it now and the app will be online next year And again

42:41It's not my experience to be guided. So it's not a guided methodology it is Me it's just you the user would say yes, that's me. Oh, yeah It was part but I didn't see it before or I was conditioned not to see it because really we I can tell you how it is done, but you will receive it according to your own lenses So I cannot tell you this is the right thing because you will see it with a lens that I don't know when I'm delivering the information That sounds amazing It is you need to and let me put this is a little bit philosophical but When people search for I want to unveil

43:31I want the veil to lift And the simple answer is just let your lenses drop Because once your lenses drop the veil lifts things differently. So that is it. This is the whole life If We are born with immersion with a passion with the blueprint of What we should do in this world, but we get so much noise We get a father that tells you this is the way to live you get the society that tells you this is success you got like lots of Scores and pebbles that shifts you from right to left And then you forgot the whole real blueprint you came in with So that I just swear is the blueprint

44:17Beautiful and I think that's so important because so before I started this journey I didn't know these lenses existed and now that I see the lenses they're falling off all the time It's not one lens. It's many lenses. Some get back put back on again some change shade. That's okay It's all part of the process But what I really love about what you're saying here is like the Foundation of what I'm doing because the thing that got me on to doing this podcast was Uh, when I heard this one lady say the top regret of the dying is that I wish I had had the courage to live a life authentic to me Not to what society and anybody else and that's it. It takes courage And to be authentic. Who am I radically honest the good the bad the ugly all parts of it

45:04As you said when you looked at your life, they're amazing their parts They're all sorts of parts, but it makes us who we are. We're not these perfect. We are we're whole but we're not Society perfect everything perfect mum perfect this perfect daughter perfect. No, we're not that we're whole Honest and authentic Absolutely and it is built in it is built Beautiful so before we finish is there anything else you would like to leave? The person is listening to this audience with any further thoughts or wisdoms Wisdom it's a big word but

45:49It's a beautiful life When you speak You feel like your heart is moving It's a beautiful life When you get into a place and you have your energy with you and you can really feel it And this will only come When you don't rush things It's not I put this input. I'm expecting this output Why it's not coming It has its own time. I'm not alone in this world. You're not alone in this world Maybe you are ready, but the people around you are not still ready So the divine timing it has a sense it has to come not that you're not that you are ready The people around you are still not Just wait for it to come. It will be very beautiful. Just wait

46:38I love the flow. I love the flow And the divine timing. That's beautiful and thank you so much for being so honest taking us on that journey Expanding everything so beautifully and And just being vulnerable and honest because Somebody listening will see parts of themselves because as you said, we're all whole we're all The same we're all whole and we're all the same So I just want to thank you so much for taking your time and being on the podcast today Let me thank you. Thank you for allowing me to take this journey with you because I'm learning through I learned through it while I'm with you and it is beautiful to have people Like you it's not the idea of doing something big or major or

47:24That would rock the social media the small things That makes the real difference. It's truly honestly. I lived it. It's not preaching. I lived it. I saw it. It is true Beautiful And as you finish listening today, just notice what stayed with you. Maybe it's a feeling Something isn't quite right and maybe just maybe don't ignore that