Jane Slack-Smith on Trusting Your Inner Knowing, One Small Decision at a Time

0:00Hi, I'm Debbie Thompson and this is a Stone in My Shoe podcast where we explore how midlife can become the most true purposeful and fulfilling chapter yet when we choose to follow our inner wisdom. Each week I speak with women who followed a quiet nudge, chose curiosity over convention and created a life that feels more aligned. And today's guest is Jane Slacksmith. Jane's path has been anything but linear. She began her career as an explosives engineer, went on to become a mortgage broker and property investor and build a reputation as a respected educator, author and mentor, all while raising a family. Over the years her work has been recognised with multiple industry awards including being

0:48named Australia's mortgage broker of the year twice and being recognised as one of Australia's leading property and finance voices. More recently, Jane's work has evolved again. She helps people bridge intuition and action, guiding them to create aligned wealth and clarity while collapsing time through practical AI tools she teaches and uses alongside her clients. Jane has worn many hats and moved through a variety of different worlds bringing together logic, lived experience and intuition, a combination that reflects what unfolds when we allow our lives to evolve rather than staying fixed in who we once were. Welcome, Jane. Hi Debbie.

1:34So lovely to have you here. You're from Melbourne in Australia. Yes, I am. Yes. Wonderful to have you here. So Jane, we're here to talk about the stone in the shoe but before we do that, can you tell me where you are now? Professionally, anywhere in your life, just so that the person can see how much you've achieved and you know, but where are you now and as an intro? Look, I think you go through different stages of your life and there's that whole, you know, burn it all down, renewal and the phoenix. And you know, over the last 12 months I've really felt that I've come into my own in bringing together so many elements of everything that I've done and where

2:22I've had a very definitive group of followers and community and clients in different spaces, it was just all too hard for me, you know, being that not the different persona, because I always turn up as I am, but you know, keeping in mind, you know, who all the different groups were and you know, what their needs were and how I could best serve them. And really last year I made the decision that, you know, I was just going to bring it all together and people who felt aligned to that would stick around and those who didn't, you know, all done and thank you for the journey and best wishes. And just doing that created so much space in my life and gave me the opportunity to just turn up and you know, one day I could be talking about

3:09AI evolution and the next day I could be talking about human evolution and the next day I could be talking about spiritual evolution. And so where I've spent a lot of time doing, you know, self-development and personal development and education and working with some of the best mentors in the world and travelling internationally to be with them, I've been able to bring together all of those things in one place. Wow. So when you say you had different groups and you had to, you were wearing so many different hats and trying to serve them all, can you just tell the listener where, who those groups were and how you managed to bring such different groups together? So I, and I'm sure we're going to get into it, but as a more, you know,

3:55one for finance and number, commenting on, you know, interest rate rises and what's happening to, you know, cost of living and what's the effect on the everyday person in their home. And, you know, having the incredible opportunity and gift to be part of people's lives in the most transitionary moments of their lives when they're buying a home or their first investment property or upgrading the home because they've had a family member addition, all of those wonderful times. So I was very much known in that space. And, you know, I got into mortgage-breaking because of the property education and knowledge that I wanted to impart. And when I moved into more of that teaching and in property

4:41investing and creating and curating courses and information, you know, I then became known as a bit of a thought leader and property expert and was in, you know, newspapers and radio and, you know, articles and magazines regularly and cover of money magazine, etc. And then I became known as the property person. And at that time I felt I didn't want to be the adhesive steak knives. So I didn't tell any of the people who were following me as a property expert that I was a mortgage broker as well. So to some degree it wasn't until I got to the point that I merged those two groups where I had been helping people who'd

5:26been taken advantage of or had gone down the wrong lending structures and they had really been set back years. And I realized that I was doing a disservice by not telling people that I had this other service. And so that was a real learning for me. And I remember I ran a workshop with a friend, you know, we had, I don't know, 40, 50 people there. And she said, well, I'm telling everyone I'm a mortgage broker because I'm going to get clients out of this. And I was being very high and mighty going, no, I'm going to be the pure educator. And of course she, you know, then got a year's worth of clients and I was sitting there going, well, you know, I made some money on the course. And so from a financial point of view, I was also looking at it going, not only am I disservicing my community, I'm disservicing myself and my family

6:13and what I can do with that capital to be able to have a bigger voice and bigger impact. And then when I moved into taking everything I'd learned in digital marketing in like 2011, you know, and working with some of the thought leaders in the world in copywriting and education and, you know, the best practices in educating adults, et cetera, and went into the space of educating around business and using the wealth path of business as well as maintaining the property path, I didn't tell anyone in business that I also was an expert in property, which then meant, you know, I think Australians financial review used to run the

6:58BRW Top 100 list of the wealthiest people in Australia and about 30 or 40% make their money in property, but most hold their money in property. So it's kind of, it was ignorant of me going, oh, you know, I don't want to be seen as trying to sell a mortgage or property course or my property expertise or mentoring. So once again, I kind of cut that off. And so, you know, one day I might be turning up talking for a newspaper on the interest rate changes and the next day I might be turning up and talking about how property investors, you know, need to have a strategic plan and use my trident strategy, et cetera. And the next day I was turning up and talking about, you know, business growth and then later having been, you know,

7:44a very early adopter of AI with Jasper back in 2021 and working with numerous mentoring groups with AI and around how to collapse time and then working with a neuroscientist around biohacking and how to hack your mind in success traps. Everything seemed to be separate. And then when I realized that, look, people just want to be happy. They want to have their financial needs met. They want to have their spiritual needs met. They want to have their social needs met. They want to feel that they're living a fully expressed life and that can come in so many different ways and different paths. It allowed me to collapse all those groups into one and to say, well, this is me and this is how I turn up. And that's amazing. And that has taken, you know,

8:30to bring all those different groups together to understand the essence of what makes people take. Taking the financial world, taking the spiritual world and putting them all together. But I bet it wasn't always like this. And I'm sure that many years ago, there was a stone in your shoe, something that made you look at your life and go, this is not going in the direction that I want. So could you take us back in time, Jane, and just talk us through that first stone, what it was, you know, how you founded, how you saw it, was it intuition, was it, you know, a very sharp stone, and what happened? Sure. I think for me the, I'm going to call it the calling,

9:20the calling to adventure, you know, the hero's journey is just a deep knowing that there's no other way but choosing a new path. And, you know, I can think back to just, you know, my early years, we grew up very much as a farm labourer. My mum was a nurse, you know. I guess you could say I grew up poor, but I never knew I was poor. You know, my parents always, you know, our house was always full of love and laughter. You know, we were given opportunities. Mum somehow or other made things work when, you know, we probably didn't have the money to do it. So I didn't grow up with a condition of lack or poverty

10:09or something that was driving me to a negative vision driving me away from it. But what I did grow up with was, you know, imagination and tenacity and an assumption that I could do whatever I put my mind to. And I know mum used to come into our bedroom at the end of every night and say, you know, you're Jane Slacksmith, you can fly. And, you know, you can do anything but fly. But with God's help, you could even fly. And so I just had this innate belief that I could do anything. And quite, you know, even today I get quite shocked if something that I put my mind to doesn't pull off. And so I also have had a very, you know, deep awareness that my parents did make sacrifices

10:57to send my sister and myself to, you know, a good school and get, you know, great education and opportunities that we wouldn't have otherwise had. And so I felt that there was a responsibility, always every day man and woman, to, you know, assist them if I learnt something I wanted to teach it or share it. And, you know, I met my now husband, Todd, nearly 28 years ago. And at that time, you know, he'd said that he'd had a property investment but he'd been inspired by someone who was knowing this guy's lawn, who had said, oh, you did a good job. You can come and mow my other lawns. And Todd's like, you're 24. How do you have like a number of properties? He said, ah, the first one's the hardest. But let me talk to you about it. And so Todd had gone down that kind of property investing route.

11:44And it was like, I have to buy a property, pay it off in 20 or 30 years then buy another one. Jane, sorry, sorry, just to interrupt. At this stage, had you been investing in property or you just had this innate knowledge and then you met your husband and two things came together? I had a very successful mining engineering career. I was an explosives engineer. I was, you know, had a good income. I spent a lot of it. You know, I didn't have savings methodology. 28, I was sitting in a park reading Rich Dad Poor Dad realized that I was just wasting my money. I had to do something. I chose a new career path or new employer that was going to give me opportunities to learn new skills. And so I'd come from this kind of, you know,

12:30questioning and curiosity and learning background. And then when I met Todd and we talked about property investing, I thought, well, we could learn this too. And so that course came up. He went and did like the accelerated course. I couldn't afford it. He'd come home every night and tell me about these things. And we just started applying the work and we started buying investment properties and we started renovating them, you know, sleeping on floor time so that we could, you know, save some money. And we very quickly between 2001 and 2006 built up a portfolio that we're like, well, that's enough. You know, that's great. But there's all my friends and family who are still slogging in the way at a career. And so I taught my sister, my friends,

13:16you know, two of my friends in just in the last week have said they'd be able to retire by what you have taught us. And so, you know, I wanted people to have that kind of, I've got this knowledge, I need to know this too. And I got to a point, and this is the stone in the shoe for me, where I thought everyone should have this knowledge. This knowledge about how to invest in properties should not be restricted to those that can afford the thousands-dollar courses. This should be for everyone. And I realized at that point that more than 50% of marriages break down. And there's children from these broken marriages who have a disconnection with a path that could have been. And the number one reason that marriages break down is financial stress and strain.

14:01I thought if I could solve that, solve for X being the engineer, that's going to have more parents that are sitting at the table having more communications with their children. And there'll be intergenerational change. So that just became my, gosh, what can I do? And so I thought I'd teach property investing what I'd learnt. But it was so riddled with, you know, scams and people who were taking advantage and there was no authority around, you know, this is how you do it right. The only way I could talk to people about property is become a mortgage broker. And you'll have it. Jane, can I just stop you there for a second? Yeah. This is so interesting, because so often the stone in the shoe is seen as something negative in someone's life,

14:48it needs to change because, you know, your health or your happiness or something. But for you, it wasn't. For you, the stone in your shoe turned into magic quite quickly. It was based on curiosity and this deep knowing, you know, from your background and what your mom said that you could do anything. And can you just talk me through leaving, you know, a job and doing this? Like, were you nervous? Were you fearful? What did people say and how did you navigate that? It was a calling. Like, the stone was a calling. There was nothing I could do but this. And I was at a point where the whole management team was being moved to Singapore. We were going to be, you know,

15:33put up in beautiful apartments. We were going to have, you know, live-in helpers. It was going to make your life really easy. And, you know, six big, and at that stage I'd been speaking internationally about, you know, some of the innovative work that I had done. I'd won a Churchill Fellowship and, you know, designed a whole new environmental friendly rehabilitation technique using explosives. Like, you know, I was a bit of a thought leader in that space. But this calling was so strong. I was like, I can't but do this and teach the everyday person how to do this. So, you know, I could change lives and generations by having a safe and secure family unit

16:19and having children that heard, who were developed, who weren't, you know, running between homes or being part of, etc. They had role models that were creating, you know, effective wealth and security for their family. That could then give an opportunity for a child to have an advantage to cure cancer or water crisis or something down the track. But it's always off as a small clock that I couldn't stop. And so when I looked at becoming a mortgage broker, I remember my mortgage broker said to me, oh, you'd be great. You just have to be prepared. You will not be paid for six months. The first loan that you write, it will take six months to be paid. Can I just stop you there? Just for the person who's listening. Yeah.

17:04And they're saying that this calling was so big. I can't do anything. But some people might not relate to that and understand what that feels like. Can you explain how that felt in your body and your mind and how is it something that's bigger than yourself that is going to impact that many people that makes it, you know, something that you cannot but do? Would you mind just... Sure. Absolutely. I believe we all have, you know, free will and choice. But I have... And, you know, in the last, I'd say, seven years, I've been a student of intuition and learning how to perfect that gift.

17:50The reality is we all have it. We have this innate knowing. We have this gut feeling. We have this, you know, this is what I have to do. And so for me, I did the research into becoming a financial planner because I thought, well, I could, you know, teach people how to do as a financial planner. I found out you can't even talk about properties as a financial planner. And so I went down this path and a very, very dear friend of mine, I said to him, I'm going to become a mortgage broker. And he was horrified and he said, that is worse than a second car deal-ship person. Like, how could you do this? You were the first female to work underground in mines in New South Wales.

18:35You've broken, you know, so many kind of big glass ceilings for women. Your role is to be this person in this industry and set new standards. And even him saying like such, you know, cutting words, I was like, no, this has to happen. This is bigger than me. And I just, I had absolutely no doubt the fact that I wasn't going to be paid. And by this stage I had mortgages obviously and they were negatively geared mortgages so it wasn't as if they're paying for themselves. And I just, my innate knowing was, this is something I just have to do. I could affect the lives of millions of generations to come.

19:24That's amazing. And this was at the tender age of how old were you? So this was around 2001, so I was 31. Wow. At 31 to have that innate knowing of who you are, that also to go against, like that guy said, what are you doing? You've got this whole career ahead of you. And to, despite that, you know, what society expected of you to go, no, this is my calling. And I think many people would go, perhaps I've had a little calling, but something so big and so powerful that despite everything I'm going forward, that's amazing and wonderful.

20:12And look where it's brought you. Well, it's even, it's a bit funnier than that because every, I, I'm all about hacking success. I want, you can be lazy almost. I just want to have the path that's the easiest part, the path of least resistance to the vision of what I want to create. And so as an engineer, I'm used to doing safe operating procedures, risk assessments as a mining engineer, explosives expert. And so I bought that, I guess, insight into mortgage-broken. So I started thinking, well, how could I create a best practice mortgage-broken business? And you can apply this to anything you want to take on.

20:59So listen up, but essentially, if I had like, let's say 30 questions and I asked 30 mortgage brokers these questions and I could distill the best practice, then I could actually start with the best business and not have to try and make mistakes. So as a property investing student, I have, I don't know, you can see I've got like 120 books on property investing. I wanted to learn all of things that people did wrong. So I jumped over those mistakes. So I wasn't prepared to learn on my dime the mistakes. I wanted to learn on someone else's dime and I was happy to pay for that expert. And so it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission.

21:44I'd get on the phone to these mortgage brokers and I'd say, oh, look, you know, I'm a new to mortgage-broken and they'd say, oh, yeah, what bank did you work for? I'm like, I didn't work for a bank because every mortgage broker had always worked for a bank. I'm an engineer and they're like, really? And then they'd feel sorry for me going, you've got no idea what you're doing. I'm like, no, but also I had a mentor. So my mortgage broker became my mentor. So I paid him a component for education and assistance. And so I'd say everything down to what's the phone plan you're on? Do you pay real estate agents for leads? Who do you aggregate through? If you had to buy one piece of technology and all you had was $500 for your office, what would you buy?

22:29What was the thing that you wish you told your younger self that you missed? What was the biggest mistake you made? What was the most amazing client experience that you created? So I just went through and by the time I got up to about question 20 I'd be going, wait a second, you're getting me in competition to me. And so I had this blueprint of best practices in the entire industry before I started. And then I went and bought a course from a mortgage-breaking educator from the United States because no one was doing it in Australia. And I had the scripts, I had the procedures, I had the job description for my PA for her daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, annual tasks

23:14seven years before I employed her. Wow. So what I'm hearing is that the engineering was actually a really important step in all of this because it gave you the foundation of looking at hacks, best practice. And so that was a really important part. Otherwise you would have come in through a bank like the others and perhaps not change the face of mortgage-breaking. Then you had curiosity, huge curiosity, knowing that you needed to learn from people. You wanted to hack it. So you went and you found the best people from all over the world and invested in yourself. And the third thing I'm hearing is just courage. So much tenacity and courage to go in, speak to those people,

24:00potentially get rejected and bring it together. Were you at all afraid at any of those times or was it just so much energy and curiosity and you're creating this amazing thing that nothing seemed hard? You know, at that time, I joined a goals group. It was a business women's group in North Sydney and because I was working there as an engineer at the time when I was transitioning in, you know, year 2000, 2001. And the five women all had kind of had jobs and were starting businesses and we turned up every week. We met for ten years weekly and we turned up every week and they'd be like, okay,

24:45last week I said I was going to get my website but there was this like luncheon on and then the next day I felt, but I was getting to my desk at eight o'clock every morning at five o'clock and if I didn't have someone to call or talk to or something to learn or a bank to ring and ask about policy and I was getting all the policies and I was like, well, I'll create a spreadsheet of the best policies for self-employed people. You know, like I was creating the whole time and I think that the thing was I couldn't work out how people who were creating a business weren't that into it. I was like, are you making excuses for yourself? Can I just ask you something there? Do you think it's something to do

25:30with your passion for what you were doing was so big that it pulled you and that the flow was there versus somebody who was perhaps starting a business to escape something that they didn't want to do? What do you think the magic was with you? Yeah, so it's an interesting insight because yes, a lot of people were redundant or it was why I don't like the old job I'm going to create something new and I definitely had a calling to why I was doing something. I didn't know what or how I was going to get there. I could see what I wanted to create and I was audacious as well. I remember ringing up one of the biggest property investing groups

26:15the Defence Housing Australia in Australia and said, oh, I'm a mortgage broker and I'd love to speak to your people and they said we get three to five mortgage breakers a day and I said, but I bet you they don't have these skills. How about we run workshops in mining towns in remote areas? I'll fly in and speak. I have one of your properties but I'm going to be really honest and say about the downfalls of it but I could then speak to them and you could come and showcase what you've got and they get property education, authentic information and we could do road shows and no one's ever pitched this and I was thinking on my feet it's like how do I make myself unique? What do I have that's different to everyone else? And so I wouldn't take a no

27:00and I was also looking at improvements like I was told if you look after a little geographic area or maybe your town or city and you know you have to be there at convenient times for then so you drive an hour and a half and you sit around at someone's dining room table after dinner you bring the Tim Tam so you talk about mortgages. Well that wasn't me. I was into efficiency. I wanted to speak to all Australians who wanted to create wealth through a strategic low risk way for property investing. I wanted the mums and dads to have two properties maybe one renovation and a million dollars in the bank in 10 years time. Like that was my goal. And so I... Jane, sorry can I just... There's so much to unpack there's so much amazing information in here

27:46but this one thing is I heard you say I didn't really know I didn't have the big vision I didn't know where this was going. Now this is so interesting because you are moving on this grand scale into a direction that you didn't really know it was going. Can you talk me through that? How did you know what next step to take with not really having a clear picture? Well I had a very clear picture of the outcome. I was going to have a very successful mortgage breaking business that was the go-to for property investors who wanted to have a safe and secure way that was research driven because they have a very strong research engineering kind of methodology but to protect their nesting

28:32like I felt deep responsibility that might have had $40,000, $50,000 that's all they had and they're making an investment in a property. I couldn't give advice but I could sit there very clearly going isn't that interesting you're looking at this property did you notice next door that this was going on and in this area this is going on what do you think the outcome of that would be? So I could do property coaching basically without doing property coaching and it still gave me the integrity of having insurance to protect my portfolio and my family give as well and so although I had the vision of what I wanted to create I didn't know the steps but I knew what I didn't like I'm not going to be turning up

29:17and driving around at night you know and Tim Tams given Tim Tams of people in houses I don't know I'd have a conversation with people on the phone and you know before Zoom became a thing with COVID one of the biggest banks in Australia said to me we've just thought that you're not doing a face-to-face meeting with people this is after 15 years and I was like right and they said so we can't let you write mortgages anymore unless you have a face-to-face meeting and luckily enough most of their products and the benefits and features of their products other banks had but they had some key policies that were extraordinary and I was not going to rob my clients of the ability to be

30:03in what I felt was an appropriate right loan for them and so I flew to Sydney I had five clients I bought my own chocolates not Tim Tams it was Christmas time I went and took selfies with them all to prove that I was face-to-face I had a taxi waiting outside driving me around driving me back to the airport and submitted all the loans so I couldn't be held back but what was right for my clients was always front of mind for me and a lot of the times people would come and say I want this loan I want to do this and I'd just say look I'm not the mortgage broker for you this is going to completely put you and your family so much financial stress I need you to understand this

30:48and some would say any other mortgage broker would write this I'm like do you want me to give you a name of someone that I it was integrity and this big vision of what you wanted you know that held you and everybody else so accountable to that now Jane moving forward you've created a hugely successful business in this helped so many people changed people's lives you know that vision came through so what was it that made you then go okay I'm done with this I need to I need to because for most people achieving that in a lifetime would be unbelievable but not for Jane

31:34it's interesting because 2009 and 2011 I won Australia's mortgage broker of the year and the following year they've got you got to you know put in application for this again and I was like no I think I think I've done that but let someone else have a go you know this is this is great so I've always I guess even with the mining you know with the church or fellowship I've always kind of had the opportunity and been recognized for it and then this is enough and it's funny because I taught people how to do things and they've stuck to it we only bought properties between 2001 and 2006 we could have kept buying we could have I don't know who knows but

32:20for me that was enough whereas you know people who have followed my things and that's all they've done you know they've got these 20-30 million dollar property portfolios I was like whoa that's amazing or they've had these significant health challenges or divorce and I've gone thank god we could sell some of the properties our life goes on and for me that's amazing but I still have Investors' Choice Mortgages yesterday I wrote an app in AI because I'd heard something on the news where people were worried about should I fix my interest rate or not so I created an app where they can run a scenario to see if it is good or not and it's just a free tool that anyone can use there's enormous level of curiosity with this phenomenal ability to

33:06you know put things into AI particularly now and help people and see things and the most sufficient way is an extraordinary skill Jane that you've helped so many people amazing well I got to this stage in 2011 where I thought look I'm really pre I guess I'm gatekeeping people from my knowledge by making them have to do a mortgage with me and I got some protection and so I went overseas I started mentoring with an online education expert came back with someone who had been into one of my courses who happened to have knowledge in digital marketing

33:52loved as much as me, loved properties as much as me and was flipping properties said and was a videographer said let's come up with a course together it'll be easy we did like 150 hours of filming and we launched that so I had a whole education business and I was teaching people how to do it the courses were half the price of everything else on the market they made a lot more money than we we were really tens of thousands of people went through the courses and I still get letters today from people going this changed our lives and so I knew that I was bringing even more of an impact with that education space but to a point where I could see some people just

34:38I teach them how to get from 16,500 suburbs down to three suburbs using census data down to the streets that the renters want to live into de-risk, de-risk, de-risk look at the capital growth opportunities compare renovated, there was capacity to make two dollars for every one dollar all of these basic criteria that I had to make money in property strategically and low risk they do all the research and then they go I just bought a unit off the plan oh god what have you done and so I thought okay I need to work out why people are falling off this like protocol and so and you know the courses that we created were doing weekly check-ins you know we would only release one module at a time which was upsetting people oh thank god you made me do the goal module

35:24I've got seven properties but I realise I've been doing it wrong so really kind of was really always trying to make the best thing I could for the better for everyone and then I thought okay that's it I'm going to do mentoring I'm going to do this kind of one mentoring I'm going to get people set up with their suburbs I'm going to bring together a lot of the methodologies give them all my education break them when they go wrong and there was this one lady in particular and I laugh she's got an email from her in the last month talking about her success we got down to these suburbs I'd set up these alerts for her as the properties came up I'd assess them for her

36:10she could then go negotiate or get someone to negotiate and buy them for her and finally this perfect property had come up and I was like let's go and she's like it doesn't feel right and I was shocked I was like how can this not feel right and she said I just don't think it's the right time and I was literally we had worked she spent a lot of money for as me as a one on one mentor we'd worked so far I'm outcome driven I wouldn't take people's money unless I could see a 10x benefit for them like I could see the path for her and I knew what she was creating for herself and her son and like you know it just bamboozled me and so it made me stop and I asked this question

36:56which was is there anywhere else in your life that it doesn't feel like the right time and she said well I've just been offered my dream job but yeah and I was like there's something here what is this why is she getting away of her own success and I then went down and you know I'd listen to Tony Robbins when I was 20 and read Rich Dad which changed my life and you know I'd been into that self-development but I took a risk and I bought a ticket to Mindvalley University in Estonia I took my 10 year old son husband stayed home and looked after the budget and I was just open up to all of these different modalities and there was people there

37:42who were escaping things and had their own stuff going on but there was some really insightful interesting people and I remember walking down this beautiful little historic town of Tallinn with this lady who was a very successful lady from Singapore and she was saying how she used intuition for a lot of her business decisions and I was like well how do I learn that and she was like just do it I'm a scientist I need to pull it apart Give me best practice I need to know the best way of doing it I'm using my intuition Exactly so let me make a science of intuition here and so I found Joe Dispenza and he did the science backed integrity research backed information around epigenetics

38:28and manifestation to other words and I thought oh there's something in this and then I found William White cloud in 2020 and he went into the intuition piece further I started mentoring with him and I remember saying to him William how do I learn intuition because I was like there's some gut thing that stops people there's something that's how could you override that with this intuitive kind of knowing or you know this is right or this is wrong like how do you develop a skill set around this and William said to me just do it I was like no like I'm paying you a lot of money to give me advice give me some action and he essentially said when you go step outside your house every day to walk to work or go on your walk

39:14do an intuitive walk every time you get to a corner go left or right you know you want to get to the coffee shop but which way are you going to go and you know in Melbourne we had like 250 days of lockdown and you're allowed out one to two hours a day and I did intuitive work walking every day and I'd go and see the most interesting things I'd set an intention to see the extraordinary and the ordinary because I could only go about two kilometers and I was seeing something new and unusual every day and I was just taking little photos just on my phone and I remember you know like a shadow or something that me or a flower or a raindrop on a leaf or whatever and I'd just be throwing them up on facebook like you know went for a walk and about a hundred of them I put on that free

40:00unsplash platform and about a year later three people in one week one guy was a shovel operator on a mine site I was doing a mortgage for another guy had been coaching in digital marketing and another guy was from the natural success community and they all said we don't like or comment on facebook but your photos got us through really hard mental health situation we're in I thought it was interesting and so I went to that unsplash website to have a look at my photos and it said like 30,000 people had looked at 500 downloads and I was like imagine affecting the lives of 30,000 people and then I realised that that was for the month and it was a million people and 10,000

40:46and now it's 3 million people wow so at this stage right so intuition suddenly curious Jane went what is this intuition I've done that seen it how can I hack it and now how can I hack intuition so you were going on these intuitive walks at what stage did you go yeah I'm just going to do it it's innate in me and I'm just going to follow it every single decision I was telling my subconscious I'm following you you're telling me to go left alright I'm listening all I was saying is I'm listening I'm listening I'm listening and it started serving me up more information here's a business opportunity here's a course you should do like I've just done a course in the last

41:32year and I heard this person and it was on AI and you know I've been mentored by some of you know the best in AI business for the last four or five years and you know I'm a finalist in the inaugural Australian AI awards like you know I don't just learn it I do it and I heard this guy speaking I went to his website and his website was around you know ethical AI but also the rise of the human spirit and how you can channel this divine spark and I was like I do not want to talk to dead people I'm not doing channeling I'm out of here and so let intuitive hit going you have to do this course this is going to affect humanity

42:18in the big picture at what's to come and Jen can I just ask when you listen to intuition I know you started on very low stake stuff literally walking which way do I go then got the feedback from all these amazing people whose lives had been changed because of these images and then you could I guess feel as though it was trustworthy enough to then make bigger decisions like I'm going to spend X amount on that course or make that decision is that the process how it worked for you so there was trust in it before the biggest stakes stuff happened I just believed that the information that I was getting and higher consciousness God source universe gas whatever you want to call it

43:04but you know I was connecting into something much higher and the work that I done in the natural success community had taken me to a level of understanding that I had an intuitive we all do I had developed an intuitive gift I would I had the 10 years been doing vision calls with clients about stepping into their future lives and seeing that life with them and taking them through it and now I realized that I was intuitively picking up on some of this information and they'd come back to me and go you're not going to believe it this thing did happen all this happened sooner and so I had been I guess putting this into like your financial vision call but I was doing a lot of the work innately anyhow and all I was doing is formalizing

43:50the education of my subconscious to let me know that I was listening and to let it know that it could serve me up more information because I was ready to hear it very interesting and I think something that came up was trust just knowing and then the other thing is practice doing it every allowing that intuition to know that it was being followed and then it was serving up more and more trust and so the cycle goes on and on so for somebody who's kind of new to intuition like you were and wanted the hack and the how do I do this what would you say to that person I would just do that intuitive walk you know even you know it's like shall I take the lift

44:36to the stairs you know shall I have coffee now or later should I you know I mean should I go to this coffee shop or that coffee shop you know just just asking the question sitting and seeing if there's a knowing it's just like a well this is an obvious way to do it sometimes I get to a corner and it's just like nah it's not going to make a difference to your experience in life left or right it's okay you know but mostly I will I will get something or see something that delights me or creates awe or wonder or an opportunity for kindness or a smile that I may miss the other one so it's not I just have that gratitude

45:22of having had that experience so it's not huge things sometimes as you said it's seeing something beautiful with awe and wonder or seeing a smile or being able to give a smile and the other question I want to ask is when you first started you know these intuitive walks how did you know that intuition was talking to you was it something you felt in your body or was it just a knowing and I know it's different for everybody but I'm just interested to see how it works for you. For me it was just a knowing it was just a oh well this is the obvious choice and you know going back to that lady I brought that lady with me and my entire touring cohort at the time onto that the natural

46:08success work and people were having profound breakthroughs and understanding and what I learned was you know not just this intuition this is this lovely tool but there's things that we have created that we have to overcome or we have to address or be aware of and I realize that we had these conditions or these beliefs or these limitations or these societal norms or cultural norms or mum said this or I have to wait for permission whatever those stories were I realized that we were all layered with these and I then create well I then

46:54I guess developed the gift or saw the gift that I had in seeing what these layers were that people had and I could just see almost the fact that people were bound by an unspoken shackle often and you know they'd be dating the same wrong person or they'd always be scammed by real estate agents or they'd make money and lose it or the other guy always got the job and all of a sudden it went more than property investing it went to well this is how we're doing life and then you know being the engineer scientist I was like okay how do I put some science behind it so a very well known famous

47:40neuroscientist biologist had been given my name she's based in Vienna she's like I just have to have you at my retreat I need innovative things to be there and she invited me to this retreat and without caring the world I basically said to my husband and my son I'm off to a retreat and off to Bali I went for the first time and I sat there and I learned to bound science of how we create everything and how intention and even intuition but how and our biology how we can hack our biology to be in our parasympathetic and how we can you know with breath and just you know hydrate and good food we can change everything so I was about optimizing success

48:26so then I bought in those factors into well what is holding people back I can't have something because of and we are very much in this society of have you know do be if I have this degree this job this career this wife this husband house this car then at some stage in the future when I get through all the doing I can be happy be fulfilled be retired whatever that is and I wanted to flip that I wanted to understand how could I just be whole be happy be me be now not ask for mission not ask for validation how could all of the

49:12the constraints of the matrix I've grown up in the bars how can I reduce those and when I realize the bars I put those prison bars there myself and I was the one keeping myself locked away it wasn't anyone else I then realize that I had the opportunity as I then lead and lead my clients through they opportunity to create they want and I think just that I thought I had to learn more I had to do more I had to have more to have this awakening and this enlightenment but what I learned was I had to lose more and shed more and get rid of all the stuff and remember who I was in the beginning and that that second kind of significant stone in my shoe for me was

49:58you know it's not about creating wealth although I have tools to show people how to do that with business and career and property you know sometimes that's a limitation it's too great for people to get over I'm like okay let's just get out of the way we can do that with some AIs some really cool things here let's just do that and park it now who can you be like what could you be if you were fully expressed if you didn't have to ask your dad for permission or you didn't have to be the good girl or you didn't have to live with this expectation that you had to serve others first like what would life look like what if you were God within what if you were living heaven now what if you were the predominant creative force in your life what if it was infinitely possible

50:44for you to do anything what would that look like wow so that's taking the education and the mortgage working to the next level one is a tool to build wealth the other is to build a life that you love one that you're curating one that you are the predominant creative force in now and this talks to me because I love this stuff but how did that because a lot of people could come into a course of creating wealth I can see that it's a piece of the pie I understand you're coming in and selling this not piece of the pie but the whole pie the whole gorgeous pie of having a life that you love how do people react to that

51:30and how do you just talk me through that that's so fascinating it's so difficult to vocalise because there might be people who are sitting there with what I call the success paradox they've got financially wealth wise all the do-dads the career the position but they're feeling empty they're like how can I have it all but have nothing or there's someone who's sitting there who's just got this quite disquiet they're like I should be grateful I've got like everything going on for me I've got my health, I've got my kids I've got my family we have an overseas trip once every three years there's no major big things going on I just not feel okay

52:16I think there is there is global inhumanity at the moment an awareness of this unease and some people calling it the big awakening and you could go really woo and I'm not against woo woo is just the window of opportunity and the wow of what science and medicine was is now was the woo of 100 years ago so I'm happy to think that it's just a timing issue but there's all of these things going on and people and we've been through this pandemic we're going through wars we're supposed to just take a side on one thing on the other and it's like good or bad but you look at the sides and you're like I can see how they think they're good I can see how these things are good

53:02it's hard in all of the noise that we have today and I think people are just exhausted by it and then there's AI it's like how do I keep up with it all you know there's all of this tension and I just look at it and go tell me what holds you back tell me what is the condition that if collapsed you could have everything and I can pull from you know vision setting I can pull from investing I can pull from biohacking I can pull from neuroscience I can pull together an AI tool that will people go you know I just can't get the marketing for my business done it takes hours and months I'm like what if I created an app with you

53:48and we just got rid of that problem so that you could have all the content in your voice to your avatar speaking exactly how you would like to turn up but without the effort can we do that and so they're like yes so if we collapse that condition I can then have the bigger conversation that says what if you went God mode there's no conditions and we used AIS just as a vehicle tool to show you could collapse things that you didn't think was possible what now could you achieve what does life look like what's the legacy you want to leave what's the impact you want to have just for your family or your community or humanity like so these are these are huge questions these are questions that a lot of people feel kind of overwhelmed

54:34by sometimes and so for somebody who all those ladies you were talking about you know the stone in their shoe what advice would you if you're just in a few centres what advice would you do if they're at the beginning of this journey there's this unease they want to find out more they want to create this life and some of them feel you know that they've got everything but for them more joy you know more peace more because sometimes we limit ourselves as well so I'm sorry I'm going on a bit but what advice would you would you give those women well it's going to break and it's where you feel

55:20the tension of ooh I don't think I could do that so for some people they might be very very bold but they don't sit in silence easily so your one bold move a day might be to sit and just breathe for ten minutes and for others who are kind of pretty chill their bold move might be asking for a discount at the coffee shop or you know going up to someone that they haven't spoken to before in a crowded room and starting the conversation so it's making out of is this taking you out of your comfort zone it is and it's finding where the tension spot is because usually where you feel some tension

56:06to create action you're going to find your biggest breakthroughs so I don't mean go and buy an investment property or you know go and give up your job or you know go and take on the next AI course and build an app you know those big brave moves potentially in your future but it's about feeling that uncomfortableness and going I'm going to listen to this like you know there is an unease in me there is a dis ease in me and before it manifests into some physical thing that tells me to slow down or whatever I want to acknowledge this and give it an awareness that allows it to come forward and so that I can explore it with curiosity

56:52with permission to fail with the ability to say I don't know where this is going to take me but it feels like the life I'm living at the moment may not be the true authentic person I could be and I want to explore that. That's beautiful that's beautiful and if you could and I know this is really hard because there's so much you've given us today so much food for so many lessons so many layers for what you're saying and what blows me away as well is that every step of the way was required for the next one that nothing is a mistake it's all perfectly done in the perfect order

57:38it's just I think you've collapsed time by going through so many many people might just do one in a lifetime where you've done so many so that's really true but if you just had to summarize everything that we've talked about into a sentence or a word and I know this is a really hard one what would it be a key takeaway for the person listening? It would be explore what your heart's desire is and pursue it with absolute certainty and belief that that is your path. That's beautiful and Jane we'd love to hear more about you how can people get in contact with you I will link everything below but how could they get

58:23in contact with you if they feel aligned to do that. Yoursuccessclub.com.au my podcast exit the matrix Google me you'll find something it may be in an area that you think that's not interesting but pursue it because you never know it could lead you down a path of something new. Jane thank you so much for your time and your wisdom and your energy and all your courage I feel so inspired I kind of feel I need to go and do an intuitive walk and just see what happens. Well I'm sure you'll enjoy it thank you so much for being here with you. Thank you